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clips2007
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Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 12:54 | IP Logged  

even if you have a great gpa (Like 3.7+) the big 4 might dismiss you on your lack of communication and networking skills. There are many post here of people with high GPAs getting dissed by big 4 four all the time; expect to see more next recruiting season. 
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clips2007 wrote:
even if you have a great gpa (Like 3.7+) the big 4 might dismiss you on your lack of communication and networking skills. There are many post here of people with high GPAs getting dissed by big 4 four all the time; expect to see more next recruiting season. 

 

I agree.  I start at a Big 4 in Sept and my GPA was 3.15.  Many folks I know had much higher GPAs than me and did not get in.  Network, network and NETWORK!  If possible get an internship before you graduate; it will help you - not just with the Big 4 - but with other firms as well.  Have you thought about the smaller accounting firms like Grant Thornton, McGladrey, Dixon Hughes?  Why not check them out?  Also, what about Protiviti?  They deal with internal audit mainly - I know sa bunch of people who did internships there and loved it.  It is not as hectic as working in external audit in a Big 4. 

What I trying to say is that you have time.  Buckle down and raise your GPA.  Join the societies that will help you with jobs and attend all the corporate/student events available. And of course,  network, NETWORK and NETWORK!!!!  Let them remember you and you should be fine!!!   This goes for any job, not just the Big 4.  Good luck!!

 

 



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Jumpman,

For your best shot at landing a Big4 job, start busting
your a$$ now and work hard in school. Instead of hanging
out with all your loser friends from High School, make
friends from your accounting and finance classes. Join
Beta Alpha Psi if your school has a chapter, join any
other type of accounting group you can, look to see if
your school has any accounting honors programs. All of
the things listed are in constant contact with the Big4
and the other global or local CPA firms in your area.

As for your previous grades that are no so well, start
working on a very believable story as to why things
happened like they did. You wont be able to get rid of
them but if you have a good story most firms wont mind
what you did your first year or so.

After you have taken some upper division classes and done
well in those, put that GPA on your resume. If you have a
large increase in your upper division and concentration
GPA, the recruiters will be more inclined to believe your
story that you have developed.

Hope this helps

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hey guys,

Thanks for the encouragement so far. Although I only took 13 credits and had to S/U 1 class (psychology), I ended up with a 3.88 this term in my business and economics classes, so I'm really, really determined to start kicking some ass.

As far as what story I can make up, I can come up with this (only because it's true): My problem this year I think stems from 3 things: 1. Not being settled completely (since I'm transferring twice and absolutely hated one of the places I was at) 2. Not being initially in a field I enjoyed (since I started pre-med and hated it) 3. Not knowing how to study in college (since I'm a freshman). Now that I know how to study and what I want to study, I can really pick it up from here on out I think.

To the people who said to look at other smaller firms like Grant Thornton, I am looking at them (in fact I mentioned them in my first post), but I was wondering how much more limited you are if you work there vs The Big 4.

I have some questions about Beta Alpha Psi, private vs public, and internships though. As far as BAP is concerned, I understand that it's a fraternity, but is it more of a club, or is it a formal fraternity in that if I join BAP, I can't join another fraternity? I was thinking about joining a different frat, and thus I was wondering if joining BAP would prevent me from joining another one.

Secondly, when should I pursue an internship? Is the summer of my sophomore year supposed to be when I start, and if so, do I need to work for a Big 4 firm for those, or would a smaller but still big name firm (like Wells Fargo audit) be fine?

Thirdly, in terms of private vs public, what are the more senior positions you can acquire by working in the private industry? For example, I know if you work at the Big 4, you can become CFO, financial controller, etc., but what about people who start in the private industry? The reason I'm so hung up on private is because it seems like they have more of a role in finances. For example, I was looking at wells fargo, and their interns work in risk/controls, financial reporting and things like that. Does public still offer that, or is it mostly private that's involved with this?


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Look at it this way, having the Big 4 on your resume is like going to an Ivy League school.  It is going to open doors and it will be a lot easier to advance your career with it on your resume.  However, just because you don’t go to the Big 4 doesn’t mean you won’t have a successful career.  Accounting is a high paying profession.  CPAs average about 100k in my state, so chances are you will make a decent salary as a CPA no matter where you end up. 

 

Also, the Big 4 is not for everyone.  A lot of people hate working for the Big 4.  I think it is more important that you are happy at your job.  Make sure the job you choose is something that you enjoy.  Don’t put yourself through hell chasing the almighty dollar. 

Of course you’re only a freshman in college, so if you’re like me you probably have no idea what kind of job you would enjoy.  An internship is a great idea.  As far as your question of when to start, I would assume it depends on the firm offering the internship.  Some may only be looking for juniors or seniors.  I would shoot for the Big 4 since that is where you want to work after college, but any internship is fine. 

I’m sorry I can’t be of much help with your other questions.  The best advice I can give you right now is don’t try and plan the future so far out.  When I was a freshman in college I was a computer engineering major and wanted to work for Microsoft.  In the next 6 years I ended up joining the Air Force Reserve, changing schools twice, changing majors and passing the CPA exam.  My point is that life is going to throw a bunch of twists and turns at you and you never know where you will be in a few years.  Some planning is good but don’t get hung up on it.  Enjoy the ride!  You only live once. 



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