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yahoofan
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Posted: 21 Nov 2009 at 22:11 | IP Logged  

About PBO, we have the following equation

Beginning PBO
+ PSC
+ Interest expense
+ Service cost
- Gain
- Benefit
--------------------------
Ending PBO

My question is "what is included in the gain?"

Other than Actuarial loss/gain recognized in current year, should we include unexpected gain/loss, actual gain/loss or expected gain/loss?

Thanks,


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Posted: 21 Nov 2009 at 23:54 | IP Logged  

the actuarial gain/loss is the difference between your actual return on plan assets and your expected return on plan assets.

your actual return on plan assets is part of the pension expense calculation.

fmv plan assets beginning of period + contributions - benefits

100 + 30-10= 120

compare 120 to fmv plan assets at end of period of 140

120< 140 = 20 return on plan assets, and reduce pension expense by the difference

if the fmv plan assets were less then the 120 you would add the difference to pension expense.

NOW, this gain you are asking about.

the gain/loss is the difference between your actual return on plan assets(just computed above as 20) and the expected return on plan assets.

however if you remember to always use the lower of actual return or expected return, then there is no need to apply a gain or loss to your pension expense calculation since that gain or loss is just the difference between the two components.



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roswellpodsquad
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Hi Yahoo Fan,

I have Becker and according to them the gain/loss you are talking about
is an actuarial gain/loss. I do not believe that the other gains/losses you
indicated will affect the PBO account. However, actual gains and losses
will affect other accounts, such as the pension plan liability/asset account
& the accumulated OCI account.

So you PBO is calculated as:

Beginning PBO
+Service Cost
+Interest Cost
+Prior Service Cost
+Actuarial Losses
-Actuarial Gains
-Benefits Paid
=Ending PBO

Hope that helps
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Posted: 22 Nov 2009 at 20:25 | IP Logged  

Joe, roswellpodsquad:
Thank you both for explanation.
Joe, good luck on your exam Nov 24th.


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lovethepirk
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Posted: 22 Nov 2009 at 23:13 | IP Logged  

joecjr wrote:

your actual return on plan assets is part of the pension expense
calculation.
fmv plan assets beginning of period + contributions - benefits


joe,

i wanted to ask u if this is correct because i think it is:

fmv ending balance - beg balance - contributions + benefits paid

let me know...


I wanted to clarify this too cause i think it can be confusing w/o
thinking correctly

if u contribute to the plan it makes it appear ur assets are growing via
returns when they are not at all. U have to remove that contribution so
it doesnt fool u.

P. 396 wiley

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