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Barry223
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Posted: 20 Feb 2010 at 22:30 | IP Logged  

As a JD/CPA, I thought I would put in my two cents on this topic. First, by
any logical definition, tax accountants are engaged in the "practice of law"
every day of their working lives in all but name. About the only thing a
law license allows you to do that a CPA license doesn't is representing a
client in court (and even then, as kj_nyc mentioned, there is the Tax Court
exam.)

Lawyers in general have a vastly inflated sense of their own importance,
as witnessed on forums like taxtalent where they like to brag how they
"plan" and "structure" transactions which are then executed by mindless
"compliance" drones waiting to put the right number on the right form.
This may be true of some Big 4 practices (I wouldn't really know having
never worked for one), but I can say that having worked in both small and
mid-market CPA firms, you are flying by the seat of your pants, dealing
with problems as they come up. You come across something you're not
sure how to deal with, you do the research, you try to come up with the
answer that will let your client pay the least tax allowed by law. Of course
there is tax planning and such, but you get my point. I've never
encountered a situation where the distinction between lofty "consulting"
and lowly, bean-counting "compliance" was anything but academic.

Clients don't care how you get to the result. They don't care about your
pithy memos with their impeccable according-to-Blue-Book citations.
Let's face it, we are in the business of saving clients money. The end
product of all this is ultimately what comes out on the tax return (or more
to the point, the payment voucher.) Whatever we call ourselves, whether
lawyers, CPAs, or "consultants," we are basically a service industry.

That said, I would agree with the other posters here that the practical
advantages of a JD are not worth the tremendous "investment" (i.e. waste)
of time and money. If you're already an accountant/CPA looking to
enhance your career in tax in public accounting, I say skip this ride. If
you're already a lawyer and looking to work for a CPA firm as an
alternative to running a law practice from your kitchen table (the story of
my life), it's a pretty good way to recapture some of that sunk cost. If you
want to work for a law firm, I would say only go to law school if you can
get into a top ranked program ("Top 14" or whatever the cutoff of the
month is these days.)

I would also add that in many areas outside NYC/DC/LA/Chicago etc.,
CPA firms have almost totally usurped tax from law firms aside from
trial-level tax controversy. Since tax is not a wildly profitable practice
area, I would expect this trend to continue much as estate planning was
jettisoned by BigLaw for not being "profitable" enough.

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Also, when going to law school, you miss 2-3 years of earning and saving power.  You miss 2-3 years of compounding interest.  Tax accountant for 2-3 years

yr 1: 55,000 salary (6,000 saved for retirment)

yr 2: 60,000 salary (7,000 saved for retirement)

yr 3: 65,000 salary (7,500 saved for retirement)

For simplicity sake, the market returns 10% a year less 3% for inflation. The future value of the 20,500 saved at 7%, for 40 years gives you about $307,000 adjusted roughly for inflation.

I am sure you can make a good living as either a lawyer or an accountant, but like someone else said, if you arent in the top part of your class at a top 14 law school, you mine as well not even go.

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"About half the graduates of the top 14 law schools go directly to jobs at the nation’s top 250 law firms where starting pay can reach $160,000 a year. (Others at the elite schools go on to clerkships, and then to the big law firms.) But at Tier 1 schools below that level, only 19 percent got the coveted big-firm jobs. The percentage falls to 7 percent at Tier 2 schools.

These lower-tier grads may command much lower starting salaries of $40,000 to $55,000 a year. Yet their debt load can be high—an average of about $72,000 for graduates of Tier 1 schools and $77,000 for graduates of Tier 2 schools."

 

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That "half the graduates of the top 14" may be outdated now after the crash. I've read that now you need to be in the top 20% at a T14 to go to the big firms.

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Yeah, thats what I heard too.  Had a buddy graduate in the top 20% at Stanford and went to Georgetown law.  Originally, he told me he could be making 160,000 a year.  Now he cant even find a job.  This is the smartest guy I have ever met and he has interned with 3 law firms and for a local judge.  Now I am not saying he is the best candidiate in the world, but he is having a really tough time.
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