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Nan, it sounds like a solid plan. CFE is pretty easy, though. My experience has been so far that it's semi-difficult to find any job in the forensic accounting. Have you ever thought about working for the government? FBI, DOJ, and OIG (Offices of Inspector General of different agencies) tend to like CPAs. After 2-3 years of employment, the salary is around $75k (depend on a location, though) for 37.5h work week.
Auditing and forensic accounting sound interesting, but there is a lot of routine involved. :-) I have to say that the auditing is more exciting than accounting, but nevertheless it's nothing like the theory. :-) At this point, I would advise you to start studying data mining (if nothing else, Access is not bad for that). I believe this skill would be more useful for you than the CFE.     

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Lelik -

Data mining.  Hmmm.  When you say "start studying data mining" are you suggesting I focus on the theory and what you can do with basic spreadsheet/database searches, or are you thinking something else?

From what I've read data mining often requires some sophisticated software, although it's remarkable what you can do simply with Excel and Access if you get the financial records in any electronic format that can be imported into a spreadsheet. (Parsing text files...Yummy.)

I don't have a computer science or MIS degree.  I am a relatively high-level computer user, though, very comfortable with several spreadsheet programs and Access.  I've had an introduction to SQL as well, and although my current position doesn't use SQL it would be no big deal for me to jump into that.

I appreciate your advice.



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Nan, yeap, you are right: focusing on just theory wouldn't help. Besides, you might never need data mining per se. I wouldn't know that you are planning to do in the future, but as an auditor I find myself analyzing a lot of information (which doesn't necessarily involve "data mining" but simple statistical analysis) and using MS Access more and more often.
I don't know your level of knowledge, but you could still start studying Access in more depth. "Microsoft Access Data Analysis" by Michael Alexander is a good place to start. Any Data Mining book (try to select ones for the "general public" and not for MIS majors) would give you sufficient background to build up your knowledge. There is a lot of statistics involved, though. SQL and R software (http://www.r-project.org/) are nice to know (SQL is apparently built in in Access). My experience has been so far that the Access can do the majority of data mining tasks. Excel is great but it's limited to the amount of information it can handle (number of rows). Excel is good for introducing information that was analyzed in Access and running some more complex formulas. :-) Sadly, my employer doesn't provide any more sophisticated software at this point (and I am nor sure whether I would really need it).

P.S. If someone could advise any good websites or books covering data mining, I would appreciate it very much. :-)



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Ok, thanks.  I'll look into those and pick up some current tutorial software.  I know there are features in Access which I don't normally use, and they could be helpful in certain situations.

Most of the kinds of analysis described by the ACFE can be done with Access or Excel and a little bit of intelligent insight.  One example: select an entire spreadsheet page and change the font color to black to find cells with "invisible" text or formulas.  Sophisticated data mining software and techniques appear to be the realm of outside experts and computer hackers.



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Nan, good luck with your job search!


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