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chowder83
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Posted: 06 Apr 2010 at 03:13 | IP Logged  

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I am studying for BEC, and I'm using RogerCPA.  So far, I am not too pleased with the structure of the course.

1. Roger's lecture book does not cover many of the questions in the Wiley Book.  After watching the lecture and reading the chapters, I found that doing the questions for some of the Modules (subjects), I would miss 40% of the questions.  I was getting the questions wrong because Roger does not cover the topics needed to answer it correctly.  I have absolutely no clue what the answer would be for many of the questions because Roger never went over the concept in his lecture or book.  I feel that watching his lecture and reading his book was a waste of time.  Maybe, I should have just gotten the Wiley Books and software to save myself the time and money.

2. As mentioned above, BEC is broken up into 8 modules in Wiley.  Since all the practice questions are from the Wiley book and Wiley software, I found that Roger's structure for BEC is inefficient.  For example, two of the subjects are covered in lecture 3,7, and 8.  Basically, you can not really do the practice questions for these two subjects until after you watch the last lecture (#8), if you follow his schedule.  Otherwise, you would have to skip alot of questions that have yet to be covered in lecture 7 & 8.  There are also two other subjects that are covered in lecture 5 & 8.

Long story short, his schedule makes it so that you are taking more practice questions toward the end of his study course, and the material will get confusing since you are jumping from multiple subjects without actually finishing some of it.

Now, I am watching parts of lectures that correspond to the different modules in the Wiley book so that my studying time is more consistent.  It is a pain to do because, as I mentioned above, some modules will span to 3 different lectures.  This means I have to fastfoward, rewind the lecture until I get the the right subject.  Having only 3 allowed views of each lecture doesn't help either.

Again, I want to mention that I have only seen the BEC portion of RogerCPA.

I just wanted to note that if I were taking another CPA review course, I would most likely have critical comments as well.  I can see, now, that Roger not covering every detail is an advantage as mentioned by AccountingNerd.  But, I still stick to my other comments.  I also wanted to add that Roger has finally added the run-times for all his lectures.  His lectures are actually shorter than what he advertises.  I was actually relieved, at first, when I saw this since I saved 2.5 hours having to watch lectures.  But, you are getting less for your money (he could have used more lecture time to explain other details/topics).  Regardless, his review course is MUCH cheaper than most others.  He is the most entertaining CPA review teacher.  He gives you all the material needed to pass (Wiley Books, Wiley CD, Roger Books).  I just don't believe it is the most efficient way to pass.  You get what you pay for.



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jays06
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I just wanted to note that if I were taking another CPA review course, I would most likely have critical comments as well.  I can see, now, that Roger not covering every detail is an advantage as mentioned by AccountingNerd.  But, I still stick to my other comments.  I also wanted to add that Roger has finally added the run-times for all his lectures.  His lectures are actually shorter than what he advertises.  I was actually relieved, at first, when I saw this since I saved 2.5 hours having to watch lectures.  But, you are getting less for your money (he could have used more lecture time to explain other details/topics).  Regardless, his review course is MUCH cheaper than most others.  He is the most entertaining CPA review teacher.  He gives you all the material needed to pass (Wiley Books, Wiley CD, Roger Books).  I just don't believe it is the most efficient way to pass.  You get what you pay for.

Chowder,

You certainly have a right to be critical of any review course you choose to exam.  The coin we all drop for the privilege of calling ourselves CPA's is a lot.  However, I must disagree with your assertion that you are getting less value for your money with Roger's lectures.

I believe that his advertised lecture lengths are based upon the live classes, and let's face it, no matter which review course you attend, you will not get the full amount of time, due to restraints such as restroom breaks, lunch, general fatigue, etc.

I'm not sure you are lauding Roger or criticizing him for not covering everything in the Wiley book.  He says in the lectures, that he is teaching what is heavily tested through past experience.  Perhaps if you feel the need to know the contents of the Wiley in depth, maybe you should expand your study time & read the Wiley sections that Roger glossed over (or completely omitted).

As for your assertion that you do not believe that Roger's course is the most efficient, all I can say is that everyone has different study habits, aptitudes, experience, et al, and if there was a single review course that was the most efficient to all, it would put the others out of business.  It appears that the Roger course may not be for you, but it is certainly helping me.

Sorry, Chowder, when it comes to the benefits of the Roger course, I think we should just agree that we are on opposite ends of the Roger spectrum.  Now I have to go back to studying for FAR.

Cheers,

Jay



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Posted: 06 Apr 2010 at 19:42 | IP Logged  

Thanks again Jay for your input. It's great to know that you are doing well with Roger's material.

We really appreciate this honest discussion on how Roger's course is working for different students. We are always trying to find new ways to make our course the best out there and student feedback is a crucial element. I hope our previous response was helpful in explaining Roger's methodology and how he has designed his course to be the most efficient review course available. If any of our students are experiencing any dissatisfaction or confusion with our course, we highly encourage them to contact us so we can do everything in our power to explain or develop a study plan that works for them as an individual.

Regarding the length of time on the lectures, we advertise in such a way to educate students to the vast amount of time the review course requires. That is why we approximate the amount of time for Roger's lectures; that and the fact that we are frequently updating his lectures so the exact length of time can vary depending on the recording for that particular lecture. At Roger CPA Review, we believe in quality over quantity.


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I took Roger review course due to many good reviews on this board.  But infact, my experience with Roger review course is not asgood as I thought.  The reason is that when you have a question that you don't understand, you  need to post on Roger message review course, but this is monitor, if they approve your question then it will be posted, but if your question is not approve, then you will not see it again.  Also, you will always get this response- the answer solution is clearly explain, what specific things that you don't understand.  My suggestion is to think carefully when you want to take any of the CPA review course.  Ask around, be detail and specific as you can.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2010 at 18:35 | IP Logged  

I know I sound like I am a paid spokesperson for Roger from my posted defense of the Roger course from those who have issues with it, but trust me, I am not.  Fendi, I have some issues with your previous post of 04/24.

You claim that your questions must be posted on the message board and they may or may not be answered.  If you have a majorly pressing question, you can call the Roger office or do the online chat.  I must admit, I have had time issues with posting a question on the message board that was answered in a delayed fashion.  The response times are getting better, but face it, if you have a question at 10 pm, no one will be able to help you unless you post here on cpanet.  Also, if you have a particular question about something in the Wiley book/ software, try using the search on the message board to see if someone else had that same question that was asked on the message board.  I have found answers that way, too.

You complain about the message board being monitored, but all message boards are that way; even this one!  You really don't need some idiot spewing his/her psychotic rants about Section 179 depreciation on a serious forum.  If your question is not posted/ answered on the message boards, why not call the office & find out what's going on?

Finally, I don't know what type of questions you post on the Roger message board where you get the same response time after time.  From my experience, I usually get my quetions answered in a respectful, clear way on the Roger board.

Fendi, you are absolutely correct about doing your due dlilgence when choosing an appropriate CPA review course.  Ask alot of questions, get as much detail as you can and get a feel for which course will work best for your study habits & situation.  On that point, I couldn't agree with you more.

Cheers,

Jay

 



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