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Jack_NOLA Newbie
Joined: 26 Aug 2009 Location: United States
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Posted: 26 Aug 2009 at 08:15 | IP Logged
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Be careful not to make this mistake:
Wanting more money, in 2003 I returned to school to complete my education, left unfinished, after 20 years of working at the more routine levels of accounting.
I earned my BA, then MS Tax (05/09), and passed the CPA exam (01/09). (BTW, for me, Becker was THE only reason for passing on first sitting.)
Now satisfying Louisiana's one year experience requirement is all I have left for licensure; but. I have not been able get a job working for a CPA, in Louisiana, as a direct result of my two misdemeanor driving under the influence convictions one in 1975, the other in 1979. I have had no other criminal problems since then.
A little background here: my last jobs were in California, but I had to move back to Louisiana due to my parents getting older. Although I did not realize this while there, in California, it's against the law to consider convictions older than 7 years in the hiring process; and, in any case, from my and others' experience practically all California based companies only ask about felony convictions.
Until the last two months, I had not even considered the possibility that in Louisiana, the vast majority of companies take into the hiring decision any conviction other than a minor traffic violation. (Though, oddly enough, the State Board of CPAs of Louisiana only asks about felonies.) Also Louisiana, unlike many other states, does not allow any type of conviction to be expunged.
I've wasted six years, working part-time in a bookkeeping job where the employer didn't ask about misdemeanor convictions. I also ran up $100K in student loans and lost considerable income that I could have earned over those six years if I had been working full-time.
The result of all this is that, in Louisiana, CPA firms and most of the industry positions hiring CPA's do ask about ANY conviction(s). Of course, I will not lie on the employment applications and accordingly have listed these two convictions. Three CPA firms turned me down flatly stating (paraphrasing) that one DUI is tolerable, but two is indicative of deeper problems. Two great companies, who initially were enthusiastic about talking to me, refused to return any calls after I filled out their applications.
So with a great job history, sterling references, a solid education AND having passed the CPA exam (NASBA conducts a thorough felony criminal background check, which I obviously passed, before allowing a candidate to sit for the exam), I can't get my license because no Louisiana company wants to take on someone with two DUI convictions, even from over thirty years ago.
Had I even considered the possibility of these two misdemeanor DUI convictions, preventing me from obtaining employment as a CPA, I would have either not pursued the CPA designation or remained in California. At this time, moving back there is almost an impossibility.
And finally, I really feel like dying because, in addition to the devastation of my lifetime career objective, dredging up my long forgotten criminal past, in front of highly respected accounting professionals has been the ultimate in humiliation. I now feel like a total sociopath; and, my self-esteem has reached lows I could have never before imagined.
I realize that the vast majority of CPA candidates won't have this type of issue to contend with, but for those who do, plan accordingly.
JRM
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NY101 Newbie
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Posted: 26 Aug 2009 at 14:12 | IP Logged
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Since the 2 DUIs were from 30 years ago, I wonder what will be the consequences if you leave them out on the employment application.
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annoyings Regular
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Posted: 26 Aug 2009 at 15:46 | IP Logged
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NY101 wrote:
Since the 2 DUIs were from 30 years ago, I wonder
what will be the consequences if you leave them out on the employment
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It is disheartening to read here how many people have no problems lying
on employment applications or about their GPA on resumes (different
thread).
If the employer does a background check and finds contradictory
information, one would certainly not expect to get the job. If an applicant
is up front about his history, maybe that is something the employer
would be willing to deal with.
Let's pretend there is no background check and the job is landed. Do you
want the possibility hanging over your head that one day your employer
may find out and you will be out of a job? Add on the damage done to
your reputation.
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annoyings Regular
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Posted: 26 Aug 2009 at 15:49 | IP Logged
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Jack, while DUIs are certainly nothing to be proud of I am surprised no
firms are willing to pick you up considering how long ago it was and that
you have managed to keep clean since. What kind of places are you
seeking jobs at? I expect the Big 4 and larger regional firms would have a
thorough screening process including background check. Maybe if you
looked at smaller firms you would have better chances? If they do not
ask, I see no harm in withholding the truth. A local firm I will be starting
with soon did not ask about criminal history or do a background check
before extending an offer. I suppose that could be to come, though.
Also, it might be better to address this with the firm early on in your
discussions so that you can provide your explanation. When they see the
facts on paper with no explanation from you or rebuttal that you have
kept out of trouble since, they might be more inclined to count you out.
I hope things get better for you. People make mistakes. Eventually, you
will come across someone who has made their own and is sympathetic to
your situation.
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Jack_NOLA Newbie
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Posted: 26 Aug 2009 at 17:31 | IP Logged
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Thank you both.
I appreciate hearing others' thoughts on the "two heads are better than one" theory. I’ve been tied up in knots wrestling with this alone, over the past two months.
Although my fear has tempted me to be economical with the truth concerning my past, two restraints have (and will continue) prevented this:
1. I was always taught that as CPA's we have to be 100% honest in order to be effective; and,
2. When it would be discovered that the whole truth was not disclosed, my reputation would be that of a liar, along with the total loss of credibility among my peers and the general business community.
This is the conundrum of rising above one’s past criminal actions, lie or disclose, the reputation will be revealed as tarnished either way.
I suppose it comes down to living with myself; and, not that I’m a saint, but lying just won’t work for me personally or professionally.
So I agree maybe I’ll be fortunate enough to find an employer who has faced a similar situation and will be sympathetic to mine.
One lesson that has come out of all of this, has been to look at from the potential employer’s perspective: How would their reputation be affected by hiring someone, especially in a CPA firm, with even a misdemeanor criminal history? The employer has an absolute right to know these things about potential employees. If I were an employer, I would want to know.
It’s nevertheless frustrating.
JRM
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