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cclocke
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Hi all,

I have worked at E&Y for a little over three years now and I know that a
career in public accounting, and probably the corporate world in general,
just isn't for me.

Specifically, I am looking to transition into a career in academia as a
college professor. Already having a Masters and CPA, I am qualified to
teach community college and some small university courses. Long term, I
believe that I would really enjoying being a professor and also having a
small CPA practice on the side. I just started applying to some adjunct
positions over the past month. I know most of the positions prefer
previous teaching experience, which I don't have, but I have heard that
obtaining adjunct positions in accounting isn't terribly difficult.

I am also considering going back to school for an accounting PhD.
However, I know most, if not all, PhD programs are heavily research
based, and to be honest, accounting research doesn't interest me too
much at this point in my life. Still, with all the scholarships out there,
along with the salary and job security perks of a PhD, the idea is
intriguing. My GPAs in undergrad (3.1) and grad school (3.5) aren't overly
impressive, which probably eliminates me from the top research focused
PhD programs. Still, if I can score around 700 on the GMAT, I think I can
be competitive for second tier schools, which might be a better fit for me
due to my interest in teaching.

I am just looking for any advice/opinions on what I should do, from
anyone with similar experience/stories, and specifically...

1) my chances of obtaining adjunct teaching positions with no prior
teaching experience, and the possibility that these positions will provide
myself with enough experience to obtain an assistant professor position.

2) Opinions on whether or not I should go for the PhD, and differences
between PhD professors and non PhD professors (salaries, tenure,
teaching, research, etc.)

Thanks for reading,

Chris

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sandypants
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wow - you sound just like me five years ago! heres what i learned, through my experiences.

i was a 3rd year senior in big 4 tax. i have great communication skills and love to teach. my father is a retired accounting prof, and his life/ free time was enviable. i decided to apply to the best phd program in the country in accounting. they only let in 2 people into their program that year (neither of which was me). i scored well over 700 on my GMAT. my application was impressive enough, however, to warrant a phone call from the doctoral program offering me a seat in their master's program, just to get my foot in the door and see if i liked the accounting phd program. i was also generously offered a research assistanceship. once i was at the school, i quickly realized that a phd in accounting has virtually nothing to do with accounting. it is basically very high level math, econometrics, and statistics that you use to build realistic computer models that shift through financial data. when i expressed my qualms about the quant heavy bent of the department, my advisor basically was like, yeah, it would help if you had a degree in math or stats - the accounting stuff is easy and we can teach you that.

if you can handle 4-5 years of intense and lonely work with math and computers, however, you will come out with a fab job. the starting salaries of recent grads from the school i was at was in the mid $200,000 range. they earned every penny of that, though, as far as i'm concerned. the work is painful.

 

needless to say i did not go back to the phd program, and left with a conciliatory masters degree and 40K in debt. if i could do it again, i think i would get my JD and teach that route. i think you can be a tax law prof that way, and actually deal with accounting (not crazy math). hope that helps, and good luck.

 

also, one final word... being a prof is not easy. my dad went through hell to get tenure, and had to publish constantly. it looks like you get all these breaks, but if you relax during that time you basically get relegated to the "instructor" heap. also, if you go through a tenure process and dont make it, apparently your career is shot.

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Starting salary for starting profs on average is more like 100k to 140 k
depending on different factors.

To be honest, the cut in salary (you get a 20k stipend and tuition
waived at most schools) for five or more years is tough. Plus, the added
pressure of having to publish to get tenure, the politics of academia, the
un-accounting feel of research, and you might think twice about it.

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I have thought of going that same route as well. I wonder if there are any graduate programs that allow students to work full time (and earn a salary on the admin side) and take the required graduate courses?

That way you are avoiding that 40k in debt.

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the phd program at the school i was in was fully funded - i only paid tuition because i was a master's student. i believe the majority of doctoral programs are funded - thats why they only let in a few students a year. (in my school's case, 2 - which means an admittance rate of less than 1%)
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